Plexus

[determined]

I tend to agree with ON - give it a crack mate. Some clothes modelling are body shots only anyway. You gotta get those guns out to the fans Plex. ha ha ha

[plexus]

Lol! Haha. It costs heaps to get an agent and photography plus you need Abs.. I have no abs.

[adz82]

Photoshop lol

[M1CH43L]

Just get some portfolio shots done and send em to a few agencies or look for agencies that will attition/take photo's if any agency asks you for money tell em thenks but no thanks.

Lot's of agencies do this to girls they say or look you need to pay this for photo's and blah blah blah it's a big scam they make money off ugly chicks by making them think they will get a modeling position.

[plexus]

Lol! I'll talk to my sister, she's a makeup artist and see what she thinks. ;-)

[M1CH43L]

Hey i been thinking you know how you say you can't gain anymore withou gear, do you think that is because you took gear or because you have reached you genetic natural limit so even if you never took gear you wouldn't be able to gain any more at your currant level.....

[O.N.]

Originally Posted by M1CH43L

Hey i been thinking you know how you say you can't gain anymore withou gear, do you think that is because you took gear or because you have reached you genetic natural limit so even if you never took gear you wouldn't be able to gain any more at your currant level.....

he is stressed all the time he has low testosterone levels this is his major problem so when he is juiced he feels way above normal, normal being a normal range 18-24nmol/l he probably sits around 50nmol/l on juice and off cycle he is about 13nmol/l or less so he doesn't gain like most people with low levels.

[M1CH43L]

Yea i know the feeling well at least the feeling of hardgaing low levels (not the normal high levels part), but he said the level his at now he was at naturally a year or two ago so he did acomplish alot naturally with low test more than i have with the same levels just wondering if the gains stopped when he was natty, and if he was at this level naturally he would have the same issue.

if that makes sense....

[plexus]

Good question. I think of it like this:

A rubber band has some natural potential to stretch, at first it's easy, then it becomes more difficult, and towards the end it becomes really hard.

The first 10kg was easy - Newbie Gains! The next 5 was moderately difficult, lots of eating, lots of training. The last 5kg was very difficult and took alot of effort. I probably only gained 15kg of muscle, the rest being fat.

As you said I'm back to what i was when i was natty (though i look better). 3 months after my last cycle I gained 1kg, but have since lost 500g. After 6 weeks of hardcore new training and good diet i haven't gained anything. Go figure.

I feel i hit my natural limit that my body can build. I have always had low test, even before i went on cycle it was 12nmol/l.

My daughter wakes up 6 times a night, my other daughter takes 3hrs to get to sleep every night. I am building a house and living with inlaws. I am now on medication to ease stress and aid sleep.

I feel with more sleep (8hrs SOLID) and less stress i'd probably gain... but it ultimately depends on my test levels. Why is it so easy to gain with steroids? Testosterone! If I had normal levels im sure i'd gain quickly.

I work my arse off and gain fuck all natural. I don't want to go on cycle again, but i want to gain!!! Will see how this Sustain Alpha goes and then review.

[O.N.]

it's just a vicious cycle.

[Thrasha]

Originally Posted by M1CH43L

Just get some portfolio shots done and send em to a few agencies or look for agencies that will attition/take photo's if any agency asks you for money tell em thenks but no thanks.

Lot's of agencies do this to girls they say or look you need to pay this for photo's and blah blah blah it's a big scam they make money off ugly chicks by making them think they will get a modeling position.

If the agency is good you dont have to pay for a portfolio. My missus was signed with Platform models (the people that used to have Jen Hawkins) and they paid for the whole thing. If they think they are going to make money from you through work then they set it up! that vogue or vaig what ever the fk it is are massive scammers!

[RF1964]

Originally Posted by plexus

Good question. I think of it like this:

A rubber band has some natural potential to stretch, at first it's easy, then it becomes more difficult, and towards the end it becomes really hard.

The first 10kg was easy - Newbie Gains! The next 5 was moderately difficult, lots of eating, lots of training. The last 5kg was very difficult and took alot of effort. I probably only gained 15kg of muscle, the rest being fat.

As you said I'm back to what i was when i was natty (though i look better). 3 months after my last cycle I gained 1kg, but have since lost 500g. After 6 weeks of hardcore new training and good diet i haven't gained anything. Go figure.

I feel i hit my natural limit that my body can build. I have always had low test, even before i went on cycle it was 12nmol/l.

My daughter wakes up 6 times a night, my other daughter takes 3hrs to get to sleep every night. I am building a house and living with inlaws. I am now on medication to ease stress and aid sleep.

I feel with more sleep (8hrs SOLID) and less stress i'd probably gain... but it ultimately depends on my test levels. Why is it so easy to gain with steroids? Testosterone! If I had normal levels im sure i'd gain quickly.

I work my arse off and gain fuck all natural. I don't want to go on cycle again, but i want to gain!!! Will see how this Sustain Alpha goes and then review.

Mate, even if you had normal test, I'm not sure it would be that easy given your obligations and commitments!

[plexus]

Thanks Thrasha. I'll keep that in mind.

I'm not sure bro, but i'm looking forward to relaxing in my own home and sleeping all night long.

[M1CH43L]

Originally Posted by Thrasha

If the agency is good you dont have to pay for a portfolio. My missus was signed with Platform models (the people that used to have Jen Hawkins) and they paid for the whole thing. If they think they are going to make money from you through work then they set it up! that vogue or vaig what ever the fk it is are massive scammers!

Yea that's what i'm talking about if it's the real deal they pay you! the agencies that ask for money for this and that are scammers they pray on every girls dream of being a model and get there parents to fork over shit loads.

[plexus]

ll

[Thrasha]

FWIW plex your chest isnt as small as you think it is. I think the proportions are pretty good.

[RF1964]

Very impressive mate.

[plexus]

The blood test results are in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Basically my testosterone is 3 points lower, LH is 1 point lower than last time i was tested. It's been almost 5 months since my cycle and so this is my "recovered" / "Normal" range. The doc is sending me back for another test and then possibly referring me to an endocrinologist.


LH 2 U/L (3-20) * Last Test 4
FSH 9 U/L (3-20) * Last Test 7

TEST 9 nmol/L (10-33) * Last Test 12
FREE TEST 31 pmol/L (60-130) * NA
SHBG 16 nmol/L (13-71) * Last Test 13

[M1CH43L]

Looks exactly the same as my results

[plexus]

But you're not on HRT anymore?